Re: comment wrt. ESR's talk in Vienna

Autor: Bernd Petrovitsch (
Datum: Mon Jul 15 2002 - 13:24:33 CEST

CK <> wrote:
>I read:
>> All model fit perfectly into the selfish part above - just look into
>> it what the producer gains or at least avoids (which you do not avoid
>> if you get enough money for it).
>the $ reasons given above just reflect our common reality, if you don't
>have enough money you'll have to find ways to get it - this is not a
>selfish motive just survival (which in turn is an instinct not a motive).

... and fits in "selfish".

>> The projects die (or the parts are not developed) because no one is
>> doing it.
>for the reasons I gave you in my previous post

The question now is : Why do all these other people do it despite the
reasons ?

>> You need or you want it ? Then _do it_
>I already told you that I think the remaining work is boring
>> The Linux kernel (and lots of other free/open source/... software) wasn't
>> started because a student in Finland was whining on some Minix mailing
>> lists/newsgroups.
>I guess some of it was started and improved because of people complaining
>they couldn't use it the way it used to be.

Yes, but not important parts. Or the initial start of such a beast.
And it does not help to maintain it over months, let alone years.
>come on <insultmode> so you have no idea about sw development </insultmode>

Probably ;-)

>you think openoffice exists because one (or two or three or four ....)
>people decided they _wanted_ to write a bloated office suite ?

No, I'm not talking about OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc. which came
basically out of payed software development and - for some
reasons - are given some kind of free/open source license. Or
commercial software development in general.
Actually the gift culture isn't applicable in the commercial world

>while occasionally putting themself back into user mode and testing it
>thoroughly ?
>I wasn't whining or complaining just stating the sad fact that people that

The "whining" was not against you (or any other person directly), but
against all these people out there who can write feature requests or
want to convince others that e.g. "Linux must go to the desktop" and
_do not do anything really useful to help it_.

>fund projects like openoffice (linux on the [secretaries] desktop) are making
>software that is competitive (and I doubt that the gifted programmers working

The real and only reason for Sun putting money into it is their fight
against M$ (or their own survival) - nothing else. I do not see the gift
culture in such funded developments (especially not with that quite
commercial motivation behind it) - and as far as I understend Eric these
are not the projects he's talking about.


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